One of our interesting discoveries was
the relative paucity of motorcycle chain cleaning
products.
There are plenty of chain lubrication
formulas available for sale -- everything from
PJ1 Blue Label with "synthetic sperm oil" (they get
the award for the most unique additive in motorcycling)
to our current favorite,
Mr. Moto Cleargoo Chain Lube.
Which chain lube is best? It's
interesting to note that there aren't anywhere near as
many chain lube threads as there are oil threads in
motorcycle discussion groups. I've never been able
to figure that one out.
Chain lubes range from
white, thick and sticky to clear, thin and oily
formulations and everything in between. I suppose
motorcyclists pick one and stay with it, but it's still
surprising to me that there aren't violent opinions
about which product is "best".
The other issue that never seems to hit
the discussion groups is the best way to clean a
motorcycle chain. Most of the articles about this
subject recommend using kerosene and a brush, but
kerosene is smelly, nasty stuff, it doesn't come in a
spray can and it isn't something that's routinely
stocked in the home garage.
So how do motorcyclists clean their
chains? I wish I knew... I find it hard to
believe that everyone removes their chain every 200
miles and soaks it in kerosene. We always used
WD-40 in the shop until an aerospace engineer (who is a
chief airplane crash investigator for the National
Transportation Safety Board) told us
that this wasn't a very good idea because it displaces
the grease in the chain's O- or X-rings.
Why there aren't more chain cleaning
sprays on the market is puzzling. And there are
apparently no chain cleaners made in the U.S.A.
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visitors have told us about two products, Motul Chain
Clean (shown here) and the previously reviewed
Motorex Chain Clean 611. So we decided to try
both of these products together and compare them with
kerosene to see if there was a difference.
It's really too bad that WD-40 isn't
recommended for chain cleaning, because it does work
pretty good. Maybe too good... The Motul
(made in France) and Motorex (made in Switzerland) chain
cleaner sprays are both recommended for cleaning O- and
X-ring chains.
As soon as we popped the top on Motul's
Chain Clean, we noticed that the sprayer is identical to
the Motorex product. A quick spray of each
revealed that they smell, look and feel identical.
Now we don't have a chemical engineer on staff, but I'd
bet a chicken fajita burrito at Chipotle that both of
these formulas are exactly the same.
The chain on our '98 Tiger was pretty
nasty (see photo left, below) and ready for cleaning.
We took a couple of close up photos from before and
after spraying on the Motul Chain Clean, the Motorex
Chain Clean 611 and kerosene. Since the kerosene
wasn't in a spray can, we used an old paint brush to
apply it, followed by a
Grunge Brush to work it in to the chain.
To be honest, none of these products
works as well as WD-40, in our opinion, but that's a
moot point. Stoner's Tarminator or Mr. Moto Blast
Off would probably do a great job too -- but who wants
to use them on a motorcycle chain?
I'm not sure what I expected, although I
did assume that the spray would dissolve most of the
grit and grime. I am disappointed, because neither
of the sprays seem to do much without vigorous brushing
with the Grunge Brush or an old stiff-bristled paint
brush.
I used almost a half-can for one chain
cleaning, which is very expensive when you think about
it. They don't seem to work any better than
kerosene (which also requires the use of a brush).
The kerosene is messy because it ends up getting flung
all over the place, so if you use it, make sure you have
plenty of newspapers to protect your bike and tire.
The bottom line here is that we'll have
to keep looking for a good, quick and inexpensive
solution for cleaning a motorcycle chain. If
anyone has an idea, feel free to send it to me at
and I'll check it out. In the meantime, cleaning a
chain is a nasty chore that is the dues we pay for
enjoying a motorcycle...
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Chain Lube for the source of the WD-40 controversy.
From "A.K.M." (11/09): "I reside in India
and own a
Royal Enfield Electra 5s. It comes with an O-ring chain. In
India, there is no availability of chain cleaner. As are result, I have to
use kerosene or diesel. I believe that diesel is a better chain cleaner
than kerosene. This is because, kerosene dissolves the petroleum base of
the grease more effectively than diesel. Diesel has lower penetrability
than kerosene and therefore it takes more time to clean the chain.
In practice, I clean the chain with diesel and grudge brush, and
after the cleaning is over, I make the chain bath in diesel by spraying it by a
surgical syringe. The chain is left for overnight. By that time, the
diesel dries up partially. Next morning, the left over diesel is dried
using a dry lintless cloth.
Now, to lubricate the chain I apply SP 90 grade gear oil, wipe
out the excess oil with lintless cloth again. Keeping the rear wheel in a
raised position, the motorcycle is put in first gear with zero throttle opening
so that the chain rotates and the wheel turns. After two minutes of this
operation, white grease is applied to the chain so that the oil should not dry
up quickly.
Grease being extremely viscous do not flow inside unless the
chain gets heated up. So after a long ride, the grease and the oil makes a
good viscous mixture inside the chain. The oil serves as a carrier to make
the grease penetrate beyond the O-ring.
If one is interested to lubricate the chain with grease only,
one can use engine oil of grade 30 instead of using 90 grade thick gear oil,
that can ensure better penetrability of grease beyond O-ring. Here the
light oil is used as a carrier for grease.
By doing this exercise, I am able to increase the chain life
beyond its expected life while residing in the most dustiest city of India."
From "S.M." (9/09): "I too got tired of
using a scrub brush, etc. to clean my bike's chain. I had an unused sprayer
(similar to this
SureSpray) that I decided to try. I put a gallon of mineral spirits in
the sprayer and pumped up the sprayer. Since mineral spirits is petroleum
based, it doesn't hurt the rubber O-rings.
With the bike supported on a rear bike stand, hold a
cleaning/shop towel under a section of the chain and spray the chain. You
can use the towel to clean that section and proceed to the next section of
chain. Once the chain is relatively clean, I use a small air compressor (2
gallon) to blow dry the chain. Next apply
Maxima Chain wax per the manufacturer's instructions.
Since I started using the mineral spirits/sprayer, I have
cleaned the chain twice and still have 2 or 3 cleanings left in the sprayer."
From "M.H." (9/09): "I read your article on
chain lube. With regard to WD40, my suggestion is this. Inflate a
balloon and spray WD40 on the inflated balloon and see what result you get.
This suggests to me that it would have the same effect, probably not as
immediate, on O rings. Last time I read the MSDS on WD40 it appeared to be
mostly mineral oil.
On the subject of chain cleaning, one possibility could be delimonine (Editor's
Note: Sold as Orange Solv), not as harsh as petroleum based products and takes
longer to work but better environmentally. Not sure what it does to rubber
or if it leaves residue? Just a thought, never tried it. Getting
back into bikes after 20 years so lots to catch up on. Thanks for your
articles."
From "M.J." (9/09): "I've been reading some
of the reviews on Chain Lubes and cleaning and am surprised there's no mention
of 3 in 1 oil.
It's specifically designed to be a penetrative lubricant, rust
inhibitor and a cleaner. It therefore seems a better bet than WD40 for
cleaning a chain.
I've used it as an emergency lubricant when touring in Europe,
although it's really too thin. I've now started to use it clean off old
wax, act as a base lubricant before spraying on 3 in 1s PTFE spray. Only
time will tell how effective it is."
Editor's Reply: Good tip, I'll have to try
this for cleaning!
From "P.M." (8/09): "I just ride the bike to
a self-service car wash, put it up on the center stand, and blast the b'jabbers
out of the chain, at 2" range, with the hot soapy water. After rinsing, I
immediately spray it with WD40 to get the water out of it. The bike is
then ridden a couple of miles to warm up the chain. After that, it's time
for a good application of normal chain lube. This cleans and lubes the
chains and sprockets really well and they seem to last a long time.
We were doing this to both street bikes and motorcrossers back in the '70's.
The only difference in the technique for me now is that it now takes an heck of
a lot more quarters!"
Editor's Reply: Not sure if we were using O-
and X-ring chains in the '70's... Probably not a good idea for the power
washer to blast soapy water through the O-rings at a 2" distance.
From "E.C." (4/09): "Just read your on-line
article about cleaning chains, but not using WD40 as it displaces the grease,
etc, etc.
My '04 KLR 650 at 49,700 kms is STILL on the ORIGINAL chain,
cleaned ONLY with WD40, and only adjusted 3 or 4 times. As, on O-ring
chains, you DON'T lube the chain, you lube the side-plates so that they don't
'gall' to the O-rings, destroying them, then the WD40 won't get past the O-rings
unless they've been destroyed.
A friend in Scottsdale got over 30,000 miles on his ORIGINAL KLR
chain using ONLY WD40! My '08 Versys is also on a "NOTHING BUT WD40" diet,
and at 8,150 miles the chain's not been adjusted yet.
Whenever I come back from a ride of 100 miles or more I spray
the chain (I buy WD40 by the gallon, and use the plastic WD40 spray bottle,
bought at Harbor Freight) and then wipe it with a rag. BOTH chains look new!"
From "A.K." (2/09): "I read your articles
about chain cleaning; very informative. I just discovered an excellent way
to get really filthy chains super clean. I used automotive engine
degreaser in an aerosol can. It works great and works fast.
I spray the chain, let it sit for a couple of minutes and
lightly brush the whole chain on all sides. I wash it off with water blow
it dry with compressed air and dry it with a towel to prevent flash rusting.
I also spray some WD-40 on a rag and wipe the chain also to prevent flash
rusting. Then thoroughly lube the chain.
The O-rings are supposed to keep the original factory lubricant
inside at the same time keep water & road grime out. I think as long as
you don't rotate the wheel/ move the chain a lot, the degrease won't get past
the O-rings and just remove the surface grime.
I think it would take some positive pressure to get past the
O-rings which are sealed pretty well. What the degrease does is remove all
the surface grime from the chain and "Outer" rollers that ride on the sprocket.
It's the outer rollers that trap all the grit that leads to premature chain &
sprocket wear. The inner rollers are sealed by the O-rings."
Editor's Note: Thanks for the tip. One other
thing to remember -- it's important to consider environmental factors when the
degreaser is removed. Also consider health and safety issues while using
any chemicals.
From "G" (2/09): "Recently I had just about
had it with all the 'expert opinions' on this stuff as it regards the cleaning
and lubing of chains, particularly O-ring types. So I thought I'd go to
the horse's mouth.
Further below is the entire response (from WD-40), but here is
the meat of it:
"It is possible that if there is a special lubricant in the
o-rings, WD-40 could act as a cleaner and remove that oil. The special lubricant
would be replaced with WD-40. We are sure there are superior heavy-duty
chain lubes
on the market."
'nuff said. Thanks for all you do!"
"Thank you for contacting the WD-40 Company with regards to using WD-40 on
o-rings. WD-40 is a multi-purpose light lubricating oil, which will
displace water and moisture from the chain. The "WD" stands for water
displacement and acts as a rust preventative on any metal surface. WD-40
will not dry out the rubber o-rings. We have found no visible effects on
the surface of rubber and o-rings. Certain types of rubber will swell
under prolonged immersion in WD-40 (this refers to long soaking and not just a
spray).
WD-40 is also a cleaner, which will remove grime, dirt, tape,
bumper stickers and oil. It is possible that if there is a special
lubricant in the o-rings, WD-40 could act as a cleaner and remove that oil.
The special
lubricant would be replaced with WD-40.
We are sure there are superior heavy-duty chain lubes on the
market. There are several people who recommend using WD-40 on their
chains. Perhaps some experimenting with WD-40, as a water remover and rust
preventative followed by a heavier chain lube would fit your needs. The
bottom line is WD-40 will not harm your o-rings, but it could remove a lubricant
that was previously applied to the chain.
Thank you again for contacting the WD-40 Company. Please let us
know if we may be of further assistance."
From "B.L." (12/08): "Excellent survey of
neglected topic. Perhaps I missed it but I do not think mentioned is the
fact that O rings are far, far more likely to fail (stop sealing) because of
abrasion (rubbing in gritty stuff) than because of exposure to some chemical
material.
So, any one who regularly & often cleans a chain of gritty
stuff, regardless of cleaning agent, will have good O rings for longer than
someone who cleans off the abrasive grit less often.
In truth the primary lube is behind the O rings, so, if they are
kept good then the primary lube stays in place. That is why those who use
something like WD40 very often to wash out the grit will have good results in
chain life. Those who use WD40 after the O rings are damaged already will
dissolve & displace the factory applied lube with something much "thinner" not
able to maintain lube film under a chain's specific loading.
Get rid of the grit often. Old tech materials work, new
tech work. May be the frequency is really the first question.
Qualifications to comment? Childhood spent in a machine
shop. Started maintaining my own bicycle in late '40s. Four bicycles & 2
Ducs in the garage now at least one of which will be ridden today when temps go
above freezing."
From "R.S." (11/08): "I drive an old 1978
750 Honda Super Sport. It came with an “O” ring type chain. This model
also came with a heavier chain than previous year models. I broke the
chain and bought Master links (one for a spare) for it for two reasons. I
do lots of highway miles and I feel the engine is running too fast while I’m
doing 70 MPH down the freeway. I installed a smaller rear sprocket.
I had to remove a few links from the chain.
The biggest reason for using a master link is that I can more
easily remove the chain once a year in the winter to re-lubricate it. As I
pull the chain out, I also attach another “scrap” chain to the one I’m going to
clean. This makes threading the chain back through the engine sprocket
possible.
I started out just using a long length of wire, and pulling it
through the engine sprocket. That works if you don’t have any spare
“scrap” lengths of chain, but gets tricky at times. The main thing is
don’t pull the original chain out of the bike without dragging a chain, wire,
rope or something to get the chain back in after its been lubed.
An “O” ring chain is good since it holds lube in longer.
They do lose their lube though and the “O” rings make it harder to get lube back
past the “O” rings and into the chain parts where it does some good.
I
lubricate my chain by putting it into a pressure vessel full of my own ( you can
make up your own mix) mix of hypoid lube, chain saw oil, STP, and a little
grease. (You can warm it up in your wife’s old skillet she wanted to toss
out because the Teflon surface disappeared)
After the chain is TOTALLY immersed in the oil, I put the lid on
my pressure vessel and first draw a good vacuum on it. I get about 26” of
vacuum with a hand pump. I leave the vacuum on it for an hour or so.
I figure that this draws out all the air from behind the “O”rings.
I then
release the vacuum and apply 90 PSI of air pressure to the vessel. This
forces the “oil” past the “O”rings and into the areas behind the “O”rings.
I leave the pressure on fir an hour or so. I’m not in a hurry, there is usually
snow outside and I won’t be riding for a while.
The chain MUST BE TOTALLY IMMERSED IN THE OIL MIX for this to
work. Also, I shoot my chain every other day with a lithium based grease
while I’m riding. I only have 28,000 miles on my bike, but the stretch over the
entire length of the chain is slightly over 1/8”. I got the bike when it
had 13,000 miles on it and have no idea how the chain was serviced."
Editor's Note: Thanks for the detailed
feedback. Note however, that unfortunately, most modern street bike chains
do not have an easily removable master link. Here's
an article on changing a typical chain and sprocket set.
From "Lee" (11/08): "Just found your web
site. I like it.
I have 39,000 miles on my 04 Yamaha FZ1 and still have the
original chain & sprockets. I have always used
Maxima Chain Lube (review). A couple times, only a couple, I cleaned
with WD 40, and once cleaned with kerosene, following up with the chain lube.
I lube liberally with the chain lube about every 600 to 1,000 miles. Wipe
well with a rag and wipe clean the cogs on the rear sprocket. All I can say is
39,000 miles and I'm pleased.
I think a lot of guys replace their chains and sprockets because
they think they should in the name of preventive maintenance. All I can
say is 39,000 miles, regular saturation with my chain lube, and the chain still
looks new and the cogs on the sprockets still look new.
Love your site."
From "H" (11/08): "I’m surprised to hear
that WD40 was being used for aircraft lubrication. It’s been over 20 years
since I was an aircraft mechanic but we never used WD40 as a spray-on lubricant.
I wish I could recall the mil-spec, but that was too many years ago now. I
can tell you that when lubricating the flap screw jacks (which was the only
surface we used a spray lubricant on) it was a light oil more like 1 oil.
I would suggest that using WD40 as a cleaner is fine, followed
by a lubricant suitable to the weather and riding conditions your chain is
subjected to. If one is concerned about the WD40 residue then try
following up the cleaning with using pressured air to dry it off.
Happy motor-biking."
From "LW": "Interesting article, I checked
my Ducati service manual and this is what they have to say:
Washing the chain
Chains with O-rings must be washed in petroleum, diesel fuel or paraffin oil.
Do not use fuel, trichloroethylene or other solvents which will damage the
rubber O-rings. Use only sprays which specify that they are for use with
O-ring chains.
Lubricating the chain
O-ring chains have sealed, life-lubed link studs and bushes. However,
these chains need lubricating at regular intervals to protect the metal parts
and to keep the O-rings soft and pliable for guaranteed sealing. Using a
brush, apply a thin protective film of high-density engine oil along the entire
length of the chain both inside and outside."
From "H.J.": "Appreciate your coverage of
this subject. The pic of WD-40 damaging the bearing (in
this article) is misleading. It is a sealed bearing. WD-40 is a
solvent. Any solvent continuously used to remove the grease from a sealed
bearing without re-lubrication would cause similar damage.
As to WD 40 getting past the o-rings. I don't know, but wd 40 is
mostly Stoddard solvent with propellant (LP-i.e. petroleum based) and a light
mineral oil and some antioxidants. Stoddard solvent is a more highly refined,
de-sulfurized version of kerosene with a lower flash point.
Stoddard solvent is what is used in parts degreasers. So
if you take your bike to the shop and they clean the chain in their machine,
they are essentially using WD-40.
One problem with WD-40 is that the lubrication system is a very
light mineral oil. Much too light for service on motorcycle chains (but
fine for many other applications). This is where most people run into
trouble with WD-40. They remove a heavy lube (90 WT or grease) and replace it
with a light mineral oil.
Using WD-40 for "cleaning" a chain is fine as long as it is
lubricated with the correct lube after cleaning.
BTW: If WD-40 gets past the O-rings, then so would kerosene,
diesel and the parts wash stuff at the dealership. The problem with o
rings is that some cleaners and lubes may contain ingredients that
dissolve/damage the O-rings (111 trichloroethelene, MEK, for example).
Some people think camp stove fuel is a safe cleaner because they
think it is a form of kerosene, but it's really a form of gasoline (used to be
called "white gas" and was safe for cooking because it didn't contain lead and
other motor additives). Probably the most flammable liquid anyone is going
to have around the house.
Kerosene has a lower flash point and is a safer cleaner.
Diesel has ingredients to lube/protect fuel systems and injectors and no one
knows what that stuff does to O-rings; maybe nothing, but it's designed to burn
in diesel engines, not as a parts cleaner.
Stoddard solvent is a refined, deodorized version of kerosene
(same ingredient in Safety Kleen's parts cleaner) and WD-40 is Stoddard solvent
in a spray can.
So, I'll stick with WD-40 for cleaning because it's cheap and I
know what's in it. Followed by a good lube, of course..."
From "S.B.": "I read several of your
articles on chain lube and found the spot where you invited your readers to
share the method they use to clean chains. Well, I have found that Simple
Green is a very effective cleaner. It also has the advantage of being
water soluble, so it can be simply rinsed off. Once the chain dries, chain
lube can be applied without worrying that solvent residue will shorten the life
of the lube. Also, it's biodegradable."
From "K.K.": "Was just reading your article
as I found myself in a position with no chain cleaner, and no Kero.
I noticed that you mentioned using the kerosene with a paint brush and then a
grime brush, I just thought I'd pass on some advice that my local motorcycle
mechanics gave me when I was last there asking about the best way to clean a
chain, both for cost and efficiency.
The one thing they greatly recommended AGAINST, other than the
use of WD40 (not only because of the issues you stated but also because if it
gets onto your brake assembly, or tyres it can damage your grip to the road and
stop your brake pads gripping) is the use of a brush to clean with kerosene,
apparently this can also damage the O rings in your chain. They
recommended dousing a cloth in kero and then using it to wipe down the chain.
Hope this is helpful : ) Great article btw!"
From "J.N.": "I read your review and in my
experience I have found no easier and economical way of cleaning a bike chain is
with kerosene.
I usually fill an old plastic Chinese (food) takeaway carton
with kerosene then grab an old toothbrush or two. Dip the brush in the oil
then begin scrubbing the whole chain and repeat until clean! Get your
hands on a cloth and also dip it in to the oil, spin back wheel and then run it
along the length of the chain to get more of the crud off the chain.
I ride my bike all year through all sorts of weather and
depending on the lube that I use it attracts some serious dirt and grit. I
think the lube is important to avoid hard cleaning jobs. I find the dry
sticky wax lubes are the worst for attracting dirt during the winter months and
I now use a more oily lube.
I would recommend a Scottoiler for long term use and everyone I
know who uses one have excellent chains in good condition and the oil flings off
most of the dirt and requires less cleaning. I just need £70 to buy one
though!"
From "C.W.H.": "The best cleaner for all
motorcycle chains is using good quality mineral spirits. I learned this
trick from my grandfather many years ago. He was a machinist for many
years and they would always use mineral spirits to degrease and clean many of
their machines and tools. Mineral spirits are a petroleum based product
that should not harm o-rings. Mineral spirits are also used in conjunction
with a oil as a lubricant/coolant when tapping and dying metals. I have
personally used this method for years; on both on-road and off-road bikes.
I love your web site, keep up the great work."
From "T.H.": "From my experience as a
machinist, nothing cut oil and grime better than oil. I always just oil up
the chain very well and use a rag to wipe it clean then re-apply more oil."
From "M.D.": "Hi there, thanks for the great
site - pretty useful. About your article on cleaning the motorcycle chain,
you may want to have a look at a product called the
Scottoiler. I had
this fitted on my new Kawasaki ER-6F last year, and the chain is still good as
new. This is the must have accessory to anybody that uses the bike on a
regular basis. Essentially it cleans and lubes the chain as you ride, and
chain cleaning never features on my list of bike related chores.
I commute about 150 miles every day, rain or shine, except ice,
and thanks to this device, the whole WD-40 debate, which is the best way to do
XYZ to your chain is moot. Simply top up when the reservoir is empty and
you are good to go. I top up every two weeks or so. Check it out,
here in the UK most commuters and long distance tourers have one on the bike."
From "F.S.": "Once again thanks for a great
web site. I bought a new 2006 Suzuki GZ250 in May and was not happy with
the chain lubricant I got at the dealers. But after reading a few things
on Web Bike World, I felt confident on how to clean the chain (kerosene put on
with a brush) and what lubricant to use ( DuPont Teflon Multi Use Lubricant).
My chain is now spotless and it'll be easy to relube every 200 miles or so."
From "J.H.": "I read all of your information
on chain care before I cleaned mine for the first time. I tend to use what
I have on hand, so I grabbed my Simple Green concentrate, cut off the bottom of
a soda bottle, and dipped my stiff nylon mini brush in it (full strength) and
scrubbed away. I rinsed it by spraying clean tap water from a spray bottle
and it came out great! I found the
DuPont Teflon spray lube at Lowes for $4.29 a can and it works great, can't
beat the price. Keep up the good work informing us noobs on proper MC
care."
From "G.C.": "Something I learned recently,
to my surprise: I bought a DL-650 a couple months ago, and I just looked at the
manual, which predicts dire consequences and says the warrantee is void if you
use anything other than kerosene to clean the chain. It SPECIFICALLY says
not to use commercial chain cleaners or sprays, WD-40, or gasoline.
So I said what the heck and bought some kerosene. Well,
it's a riveted chain and since I'm (lazy), I was looking around for some way to
easily clean the chain on the bike w/o having kerosene go everywhere.
I had a 1-gal pressure bottle with a wand for spraying
pesticide. So I poured the kerosene in that.
I put a large rectangular pan under the bike, then I found a
piece of Plexiglas and I cut a quarter-circle in one corner so it would fit
behind the sprocket. I used a small c-clamp to clip the other end to one
of the suspension dog-bones. I made sure the bottom of the plexi overlapped the
top of the pan.
I pumped up the bottle, adjusted it to a fine spray, pointed it
at the lower chain run and started spinning the wheel by hand. Bingo! in about 5
minutes I had a "brand new chain" - I didn't do ANY scrubbing at all!
It took maybe about 30 turns of the wheel, I didn't actually count. So I
figured "well, that's a 3-month-old chain anyway, let's try that on the SV-650
with 18,000 miles on the chain" and it worked on that too.
Tons of nasty black crap, grit, and red rust went into the pan.
The chain ended up much cleaner than the bottom pic of the
Kettenmax. There
was no grunge in the side plates or around the pins, and even the etched DID
logos are clean. I ended up using about a 16oz cup of kerosene per bike.
The bug sprayer puts out an extremely fine and effective mist. And it was NOT
messy. The plexi backstop directed all the nasty into the pan, and there was no
over-spray.
Best of all, there was no effort involved. I drizzled some
90wt oil on afterwards as a lube. So with a $15 sprayer, a $5 gallon of
kerosene, and some other odds & ends, I do think I have the hot setup for
cleaning my chains. I also have an excellent flamethrower if anyone tries
stealing my bikes!"
From "A.": "Hi, just a
note... I've been using WD-40 on my motorcycles for the last 20 years without a
problem. WD-40 does NOT repeat does not eat away O-rings, plastics, etc,
etc. I have O-ring chains on my motorcycles and they last me 20,000
miles...repeat 20,000 miles. All i do is every 200 miles or so, spray
WD-40 on the inside of (the) chains. So much that it drips off onto the
floor. Ready for the next ride. I also spray it on all my bikes
tanks then wipe off (the) excess and leave it... I also use WD-40 on my
rifles all over, even the stocks.
Here's one, work this one out: someone years ago told me to
store O-rings from garden hoses in WD-40. As I noted they last about 1
year in normal storage. I bought a pack of these garden O-rings (20) got a
jar, placed O-rings inside and sprayed WD-40 to coat them very well.
There's probably a quarter inch of WD-40 in this jar. I did this 10 years
ago, and I can guarantee the O-rings are as good as the day I bought them...
Work that one out. So if garden hose O-rings can handle this I would say
motorcycle riders have no worries when it comes to spraying WD-40 on ANY PART of
a motor cycle... One more thing: my mates bike white is same as my bike,
sprays chain oil (proper stuff) he worked out the chain lasts approx 12,000
miles. He's using WD-40now...."
From "J.G.": "Most of my riding buddies and
I use el cheapo foamy engine degreaser to clean our bike's chains. My 2003
ZRX 1200R is still on the original chain and sprockets, and the last time I had
the wheel off for a rear tire change (at 10k miles), I could not see a visible
difference when holding a new sprocket against the one with the miles.
I'm running Maxima chain wax, and apply a shot to the plates and
ends of the rollers about every 500 miles. I clean the chain every 1000 to 1500
miles or so. So far, so good. P.S. I do use a brush... A toothbrush!
:)"
From "S.C.":
"Rick…you may want
to give some more thought to the chain lube vs. WD40 debate. Just
because an aerospace engineer states that it will penetrate O-rings
doesn’t mean this happens in the real world. In fact I’m pretty
sure it doesn’t. His comparison/illustration is apples/oranges to
our application. Myself and many others have been using nothing
but WD40 on street bike chains for years, with no problems and no
shortened service life of any kind. Here’s the bottom line in my
opinion:
WD40 doesn’t eat O-rings, people keep saying it does but I haven’t
seen even one actual bit of proof
On an O-ring chain, the lube for the most critical friction points is
sealed inside (pin to bushing areas)
Based on practical experience, the WD40 does not penetrate into this
area, the ring seal has to be better than that to keep the grease in
(it’s pretty thin when it’s hot) and keep water out.
No, WD40 is not a very good lubricant, but a ring chain doesn’t need
one. Heavier, stickier chain lubes attract dirt, which can turn
into a “grinding paste” and actually wear out your components faster
With WD40, there isn’t near as much of a need for cleaning the chain.
And you don’t end up with a pound of junk trapped up in the area around
the front sprocket, plus goo all over your rear wheel, etc.
Just to back up a minute…there is an impression that chains need to
be lubricated. Do they? Well, yes and no. The whole
idea of a ring chain is for it to be low- or no-maintenance.
Nearly all of the wear and friction on a chain is in the pin to bushing
area, each pin to bushing interface must support the tensile load on the
chain, and then pivot while under this load. On a modern sport
bike, the pounds per square inch is amazing! Luckily, the grease
is sealed in and we don’t need to worry about lubricating this area. So,
we’re not looking for a lubricant, so much as a cleaner/protectant (to
prevent rust).
No, I don’t work for WD40 or get any kickbacks. If you are
bored some time, check out yamahafz1oa.com and do a search on
WD40…there’s input from hundreds of riders, not all agree of course but
the majority of opinions and experience support my statements above.
Typically the chain lasts at least 15,000 miles if the owner leaves it
long enough to find out.
As a side note: I have multiple bikes and do not use WD40 on my bikes
that have non ring chains. Standard chains need a real lubricant.
Thanks!"
Editor's Note: Thanks for your comments, S.C.,
they will surely add fuel to the WD-40 controversy! Note that R.S. in the
Motorcycle
Chain Lube article (who, by the way, is who is a chief airplane crash
investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board), did not claim that WD-40 dissolved the O-rings.
The claim was made that WD-40 "is largely a penetrant" and may dissolve
the grease behind the O-rings, just as it has dissolved the grease
behind the seal on the sealed bearing shown in the photo. My own
feeling is that this is more of a valid comparison than not... By
the way, I agree that most motorcycle chains are over-lubed and that
most riders probably obsess way too much about this topic!
From "N.F.": "Read your article
on lubing and cleaning bike chains. The best solution I've come up
with so far is to use Hondalube chain lube in the red can. It does
a better job cleaning than WD-40 and, as it is a lube, will not do
anything untoward to my O-rings.
Also, one of the best (albeit messiest) lubes for any chain is
chainsaw bar & sprocket oil. It's very very tacky to resist fling,
and as it is a liquid oil (not a wax or a thin film product) it is sure
to maintain a good bearing surface on your rollers. It will fling
like a mother for the first few miles, though, even if you wipe off the
excess."
From "J.R.": "Try PB Blaster
penetrating oil spray from Wal-Mart, then Dri Film Lubricant spray from
K-Mart, then wiping off the chain with an old rag, then Dupont Lithium
Grease spray from Lowes. It works well for me."
When I
questioned the use of PB Blaster on O-rings, J.R. responded:
"The directions for PB Blaster penetrating oil says it improves
damaged O-rings, with fixing a leaky toilet valve as an example on the
can. I did try it for a leaking toilet valve first, which worked
fine again for a few more months, but the smell of the oil in this small
bathroom was bad the first few days. I am thinking the next 2
sprays I add get drawn into the chain by the penetrating oil, wherever
the O rings have a small leak that allows the original grease to start
coming out.
My stock DID O-ring chain and sprockets have 8,000 miles on them, and
the chain has only been adjusted once so far, with about 5/6 of the wear
length left at the axle. I am doubting the chain will last 48,000
miles for the mostly curvy country roads that I ride on, but will find
out.
A good chain to try is the Parts Unlimited X-ring chain ... according
to my mechanic near Frankfort, Kentucky. He only sells Belray
Superclean and Chain Wax for lubing chains, though."
From "G.S.": "I have to disagree
with your response to "JK". The grease is sealed behind the
O-rings. Unless you use a pressure washer to force the EcoTech
past the O-rings, the cleaner is not going to hurt the chain.
Since this 'degreaser' came packaged with my Grunge Brush, I'd expect it
to be compatible with O/X-ring chains. I simply pour some on a rag
and rub the chain down the same as if I was using kerosene. The
key to keeping your chain well maintained is to keep it clean and lubed. Letting 'grunge' build up to the point of it becoming a chore to remove,
means your lagging on your chain maintenance.
As far as lube, every owner's manual I've ever had has said to use
plain old motor oil. I use 90Wt gear oil. Other than a little fly-off,
never an issue.
I think people who use spray-on chain lubes get a false sense of
protections and have a tendency to neglect proper maintenance. Kerosene
to clean and moto oil to lube. Works great and it's cheap!!
The perfect combination.
From "J.K.": "Love the info on
the web-site. I’m a bicyclist who recently purchased a motorcycle.
For my bicycle, I have found
Finish Line
Citrus bio-solvent degreaser works amazingly well on the chain.
I am considering trying it on my motorcycle. The only thing I
don’t know is if it would be too much of a penetrant like WD-40.
Although I haven't tried it, their EcoTech2 degreaser is claimed to
be safe for O-rings. Bicyclists seem to have
many more options when it comes to chain cleaning than
motorcyclists. Maybe because legs get direct feedback when you
have to pedal harder, it’s a more natural consideration for cyclists.
Keep up the great work!" Thanks J.K.! I'm not sure
if I'd use a product labeled as a "degreaser" on a motorcycle chain.
There is grease inside the O-rings, and diluting or removing it with a
degreaser is probably not a good idea - Editor.
From "P.B.": "Rick, I came across your article regards a chain cleaner, which looks a bit
late in the day for this response, but I would like to add my two penny's
worth I suppose.
I have used WD-40 on my chains for years, mainly on my daily use (14,000
per year) XJR1300. And although in one way I support you friend's
comment (the aero-engineer), in another you have to remember bike
(motorcycle) chains are not generally machined or produced to this level of
spec (the bearing), so a certain amount of latitude can be allowed; after
all, if it was too fine a clearance, the oil could not penetrate.
If you use WD-40 to remove oil, it is important to get rid of the WD-40.
I have always cleaned my chains in WD-40, wiped the chain clean with a lint
free absorbent cloth, and then lubed my chain, NOT with a wax lube but a
penetrating lube. Run the bike around the block for a couple of miles
at low speed to warm it up and get the lube to penetrate, come home and
coated it again. As I said its always worked for me, and I know a
little about
Tribology
in my job."
From "N.M.":
"What I've always used and
seems to do no harm to the chain is regular degreaser (usually Orange Clean
or Simple Green), the grunge brush, and water.
When the chain looks rather nasty, I spray the chain with degreaser at the
rear sprocket while I rotate the wheel on a rear stand. Spray both the
outside and inside of the sprocket to get both sides of the chain. Let
it set for a few minutes. Then scrub away with the grunge brush.
Been doing that for 36,000 miles and two chains, this cleaning method has
never done me any harm."
From "T.D.": "I've been cleaning my chains with WD-40 for 20 years. Spray it
on and wipe it off with paper towels. I also clean suspension and wheels with
WD-40. I have had no problems with WD-40 regarding the chains, however,
I do use a chain oiler. I never get less than 20,000 miles from a chain. Who knows?"
From "S.S.":
"I saw the latest article on
chain cleaning and it got me to thinking. (Dangerous!) I use a product
called Ballistol on
my firearms. It’s used as a cleaner and lubrication. It’s a do
it all type of product as well. I was just wondering if it might be
used as a chain cleaner without the supposed bad side effects of WD-40.
I’m not sure if it would be a good chain lube as it’s a bit thin. But
I figured I would mention it in case you wanted to take a look at it."
From "L.I.": "I recently read your
article about cleaning motorcycle chains. I ride bicycles a lot and
also a Suzuki SV 650. For about a year I used
Clean Streak by White Lightning on the motorcycle chain along with a
Grunge brush. This combination works well on my bicycles and it seemed
ok on the motorcycle.
Starting about 6 months ago I switched to using
Motul Chain cleaner and it seems to work pretty well. I use it
sparingly in a well ventilated area since the fumes seem really noxious.
After 3 or 4 applications I am still on my first can of the stuff. I
after cleaning the chain I let it dry for 10 or 15 minutes then spray
Bel Ray chain lube
on it. I also spray some of the chain cleaner on a rag and wipe down
the rear sprocket.
I like that lube because it leaves a white film so
I can see what part of the chain I have already covered. This
lubricant does not fling off and seems to hold up pretty well here in
Seattle, where it rains quite a bit."