Bluetooth
Intercoms
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Motorcycle Intercoms Page
for a listing of our motorcycle intercom reviews.
Motorcycle Bluetooth Intercoms Finally!
The simple Bluetooth wireless intercom systems we wished for
are here! Here are two units that claim to meet our
requirements of a Bluetooth motorcycle intercom system that
does not use
a cell phone or other intermediary "hub" device; thanks
to Jan from MC Sport in Denmark for sending us information on
the Cellular Line Interphone (Italy). See our review of
the
Interphone
Bluetooth intercom system, which is now available in the
U.S.A., along with all of our other reviews of wired and Bluetooth
motorcycle intercom systems on the wBW
Motorcycle Intercoms
Page
What is Bluetooth? Read the wBW
article
The Future of
Motorcycle Bluetooth | Bluetooth is a short-range
wireless communications technology and standard for secure communications. "The
key features of Bluetooth technology are robustness, low power,
and low cost.
The Bluetooth specification defines a uniform structure for
a wide range of devices to connect and communicate with each
other", according to the
Bluetooth Interest Group.
Stereo Bluetooth: These allow full stereo connectivity
to devices like the Garmin Zumo GPS system, MP3 players, iPod,
etc. See the wBW
review
of the IMC Camos stereo Bluetooth intercom system
| The
Parrot stereo Bluetooth device for motorcycles transmits
music and cell phone calls but doesn't appear to be an intercom
Convert Your Headphones or Earphones to Bluetooth:
Sony makes the DRCBT15 Bluetooth converter, available through
this affiliate link to Amazon.com (
Sony DRCBT15 Bluetooth Stereo Hands Free Mobile Phone Reciever/Transmitter
) that apparently will convert a set of
headphones to receive a Bluetooth signal
Motorola Wireless Helmet Headset HS830: Many
visitors have written to us about this Bluetooth system.
However, it is our understanding from a conversation with
Motorola that 1) this unit still needs a cell phone as a base
unit and 2) the HS830 will be discontinued soon. If you
have more information, please send it to the editor at the address
above.
Bluetooth Intercom Systems ►
See the wBW
Motorcycle
Intercoms Page for a listing of our motorcycle
intercom reviews.
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Here's an interesting "Bluetooth
Pocket Repeater" (.pdf file) from AKE that looks
like it connects Bluetooth intercoms, radios, GPS and other
devices through a central hub.
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The
Blue
Bike (BlueBike) Bluetooth intercom is an interesting
sort of hybrid system; a control unit is mounted on the
motorcycle, which connects with an MP3 player, FRS radio
or other device. Then a Bluetooth module is attached
to the helmet, and this module communicates with the mounted
controller.
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This Bluetooth intercom from
Dimton is called the "BluVirtu"
and features a Bluetooth headset and microphone; this intercom
is unique because it is claimed to connect with and automatically
switch between a maximum of 3 devices at the same time,
including a mobile phone, a radio transceiver, GPS or MP3
player
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Yet another one, but with a twist
-- Nolan will apparently start selling helmets with the
"N-Com"
Bluetooth intercom system
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Here's an informal survey that
lists various
motorcycle Bluetooth intercom parts, devices and helmets
that may work together
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More
Bluetooth intercom enablers, but I still don't see anything
that will directly allow two Bluetooth units to act as an
intercom without an intermediary device like a cell phone
Hybrid Bluetooth Intercoms: The Intaride
Liberty Bluetooth
motorcycle intercom apparently needs a hub to be used as
a rider-to-pillion intercom but comes complete with two headsets,
Bluetooth wireless connectivity and a "pod" connector.
Visitor "J.G." writes "If you read the faq on
their website you will see that they are not Bluetooth, but
are instead a proprietary system that will only connect with
their hub which can in turn connect via cable to their intercom
box. It in turn can have a Bluetooth adapter fitted which
will allow connection to a phone for example."
Bluetooth Motorcycle Helmets: Vemar has a
Bluetooth capable motorcycle helmet that they claim allows
rider-to-pillion wireless communications | The Vemar
Bluetooth system is made by Stilo, which has
information about the system on their website
Interphone Bluetooth Intercom: See the wBW
review
of the Interphone Bluetooth motorcycle intercom system.
The Interphone system was apparently jointly developed with
several manufacturers in Europe and the UK. It is available
through various retailers in the U.S.A., UK and Canada.
Here's a description sent by Moto Comp Ltd. in the UK:
"We have been developing the Interphone Bluetooth
Bike-to-Bike Intercom System with our Italian partners for
some time. We believe it to be the only full wireless
Bluetooth Intercom and phone System with true Bike-to-Bike
(up to 150 meters) capability in the world.
It is now ready for launch in the UK. We will be launching
to the UK trade at Motorcycle Trade-Expo in January.
We are very proud of the performance we have achieved and
are now looking for independent evaluation. The product
is completely self-contained and comes with everything needed
to fit in any helmet in a couple of minutes.
Problems With Bluetooth Intercoms
Bluetooth technology still needs some work to make it user-friendly,
in our opinion. Bluetooth devices must be "paired"
the first time they are used. Pairing basically means
that the devices swap some kind of information to let them know
that they should be communicating with each other.
The instructions provided with all of the Bluetooth
intercoms we've tried so far are very poorly written and don't
clearly describe the pairing procedure; it's like the instruction
manuals were written by engineers and computer specialists rather
than users.
What makes it more confusing is that the pairing
procedure doesn't always seem to work the same way twice.
We've found this to be the case with every one of the Bluetooth
intercom systems we've tried.
Sometimes the two devices connect with each
other as soon as the units are turned on; sometimes we have
to follow the instructions to get them to "talk" to
each other, and sometimes a different series of buttons must
be pressed to get everything to work. It's way more effort
than it should be, and the professionals tell us "it can't
be done", but from the consumer's point of view, two intercoms
need only 2 controls: on/off and volume.
The user should be able to turn on the devices
and they work. Instantly and without any fuss. Who
cares about pairing? All I want to do is talk! When
I turn on a cell phone, I don't have to press a series of buttons
and wait for LEDs to light up in a particular pattern as I try
to negotiate with the carrier each and every time. I turn
it on, press a number and talk. Bluetooth intercoms should
be no different, and no different than a wired intercom system.
Our advice? We strongly recommend that
1) You copy the owner's manual in your language and bring it
with you. You'll need it! 2) Practice, practice,
practice with these devices, both before they are installed
in the helmets and after. It's like a "black art"
trying to figure out which buttons to press in which order,
what tones and beeps to wait for, what the LED blinking lights
mean...it's way, way too confusing!
Are Different Brands of Bluetooth Intercoms Interoperable?
This question often arises when discussing Bluetooth intercoms.
The short answer is no. For the longer answer, HBC responds:
There is a growing awareness of the functionality
and capabilities of systems vis-ŕ-vis unique and common
user requirements.
Some developers and manufacturers understand
the larger spectrum of "communicating" and some don't...which
is why we still have a wide choice of single and multi-purpose
systems available -- not a bad thing, just an observation on
a pretty healthy and competitive market.
To the best of my knowledge, Bluetooth communications
between brands is not possible, for many reasons, mainly marketing
and sales based, as the technology used in most systems is not
the roadblock.
At this point in time, the solution is to find
a system that supports the use of common radio system (FRS/GMRS
or CB or ??) between riders and/or passengers. This option,
while entailing some possible additional investment in money
and usually time to configure everything, is viable and is used
by many riders for group communications. The trick here
is to find a system that really can support the use of a commercial
standard common radio.
It is relatively easy to implement support for
a radio via Bluetooth or as a wired peripheral, but accommodating
the individual switching and transmission timings of so many
different radios is the hard part. Any company wanting
to engineer in or support use of a common radio needs to understand
the personal communications parameters and requirements of the
respective market areas.
Building and qualifying a small set of interface
cables to serve a diverse range of radio sets is not a trivial
thing, especially when individual models built by the same manufacturer
use different specifications for switching, wiring, etc.
But with so many of the current leading systems
implementing an interface or actually offering up the necessary
components (Midland is one example) and given that so many coming-to-market
systems have this feature engineered in, there are more and
more options all the time.
But, on the downside, many of the systems have
not yet fully developed specific or generic cables needed for
the North American market, something that most of the major
wired system vendors have already dealt with.
As I continue to research this issue, I should
have a much better understanding of if and how well the current
group of Bluetooth communications systems support a common radio
capability and hopefully be in the position to provide further
insight into this known and growing requirement.
There is an alternative, although it still involves
the use of a common radio or the walkie-talkie feature of mobile
phones along with a headset or ear-piece and microphone.
I have used this on occasion using a bone conductive headset
(in-ear speakers and bone-microphone) and this works well...a
throat mike is even better.
And believe it or not, coordinated hand signals
still works well and the cost is reasonable. But, being
able to chat, provide road and condition alerts to the rest
of the group and coordinate everything is just so much easier,
and safer with a communications system, rider to riders and
riders to passengers.
NOTE: The webBikeWorld intercom evaluators always wear properly
fitted ear plugs while riding during the intercom evaluations and this is reflected
in thee opinions on sound quality and speaker volume. Your experience may
and probably will differ. Always wear high-quality, correctly fitted ear plugs
when riding a motorcycle ( more).
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From "S.K." (August 2011): "I just thought
I'd give you a heads-up about the B+Comm communicator. (No,
I'm not associated with the company, just a happy user).
Although most of the site is in Japanese, there is enough
English there to navigate (on
the website).
My wife and I have been using this unit for some time now,
and find that once you figure it out, it's a very nice device!
Stereo speakers with good sound quality, choice of boom mic
or wire for full face, (both are included with each unit) easy
to use volume control, even with winter gloves, and a very simple
and effective spring wire mount (or Velcro if desired).
It's full duplex so no VOX waiting time, pairs easily, and
10-12 hour battery life. Recharges in 2-3 hours with included
two-unit charger. It can pair with several other units, with
my iPhone for music, with GPS, etc... any Bluetooth devices.
The main unit unplugs from the speakers for easy charging.
To date, the only negative that we've seen is that when using
the boom mic, if you move it back and forth a lot putting on
and taking off your helmet, the mic may unplug itself. On multi
day rides my wife wraps a strip of plastic tape over the connector
to prevent problems. Having used quite a few different communicators
over the years, this one is tops on my list."
From "C.G." (4/10): "Thanks
for the generally great reviews. I've been monitoring them very
carefully, trying to decide upon a Bluetooth intercom.
My wish is to find an easy, reliable unit for myself and
my wife to share on one bike. Our needs are simple: a
good intercom and the ability to share music from a single MP3
player without any cords.
In the XBi review
you specifically mention that that unit will "share"
stereo music. However, in the subsequent reviews I've read for
the Sena SMH10
and the
Cardo
Scala Rider G4 units, the question of "sharing"
of music is left out. I couldn't be sure if this was because
these units couldn't do that, or if it was simply a question
that was overlooked.
I've since emailed Sena and found that their unit can't "share",
and I've emailed Cardo and expect to find the same from them.
I assumed, with my limited understanding of Bluetooth, that
even if a system couldn't "stream" music from the
rider's to the pillion's unit, like the XBi, that sharing could
still be simulated by simply pairing each unit directly to the
MP3. But I now understand (I think) that 2 Bluetooth units
can't simultaneously connect to the same MP3.
I'd suggest that this feature is a fairly standard desire
for people looking into 2-up intercoms who want music capability.
And as such, it would be really helpful going forward for that
to be a standard question to answer in your reviews, in very
unambiguous terms . I'm a bit dumbfounded that manufacturers
don't see this as a critical feature and for intercom units.
What does one do with such units? Draw for straws each
time you start the bike for who gets to listen to the music?
Anyhow, just a suggestion.
FYI, one of the things I also found from the Sena rep. was
that they're expecting to offer a headset option for the SMH10
within a month, that will allow connection of 3rd party in-ear
earbuds (Again, I don't understand why this isn't a standard
option, since it's so simple to accomplish?)
Thanks for your great reviews, they're invaluable."
HBC's Reply: Question: "My
wish is to find an easy, reliable unit for myself and my wife
to share on one bike. Our needs are simple: a good intercom
and the ability to share music from a single MP3 player without
any cords. In the XBi review you specifically mention
that that unit will "share" stereo music. However,
in the subsequent reviews I've read for the Sena and the G4
units, the question of "sharing" of music is left
out. I couldn't be sure if this was because these units
couldn't do that, or if it was simply a question that was overlooked."
Answer: The Chatterbox XBi system does
a really good job of sharing music, in stereo, between two paired
units. This is a feature or capability that others should or
will most likely emulate going forward. Newer Bluetooth versions
provide significant enhancements - capabilities, speed and power
consumption, but in essence, the one to one relationship is
still dominant. It is this feature or limitation (depending
on your view) that is specifically relevant to your situation.
In essence a Bluetooth network, also known as a 'piconet'
includes up to eight devices in a 'wireless user group', with
one device assigned as the master, although the devices can
switch roles, as negotiated or provided for. The general rule
is that data can only be transferred on a one to one basis,
ie - master to one other device. Broadcasting (transmitting
from the master to multiple devices) is possible, but notidely
used (see below).
Bluetooth version 2.1 or 2.1 + EDR (July 2007) is used for
the newest systems on the market and while there are significant
enhancements, the ability to have one Bluetooth device 'broadcast'
to multiple devices is always one of them. The Editor asked
me about 'multi-point connections', as this feature would seem
to be a possible solution to the issue that you, and so many
others, would like to have resolved.
While the overall multi-point connection capability is complex,
in its simplest implementation the receiver (headset) can have
two simultaneous connections or pairings - a feature found in
newer motorcycle communications systems. But for most
implementations, the one to one principle still applies, so
only one audio link can be open at a time.
My Sony Vaio on the other hand has a fuller implementation
of the capability, but I am still playing with this as
it's a great feature that is not yet being fully exploited.
Whether this capability will be more fully exploited for Bluetooth
headsets or communications systems remains to be seen.
An alternative solution, albeit more complex, is to use a
hybrid system, like the
Biker
Com. This system provides a control module for interfacing
Bluetooth or wired devices, with discrete wireless links enabled
to provide communications between the control module, the rider
and the passenger.
AKE also has a
small control module that allows multiple peripherals to be
connected and the audio shared. I cannot (yet) confirm if the
two systems identified use discrete wireless channels for the
rider and passenger or if 'broadcasting' is used for some audio
streaming.
Given the fundamental limitations of Bluetooth and to keep
costs down, other manufacturers are pursuing a control module
or hybrid approach. But by the same token, newer systems
are also using multi-channel Bluetooth and wireless chip technologies
to provide more diverse solutions.
Also, here is some additional information:
In this instance if the user wants to have a single MP3 player
(Bluetooth enabled onboard or provided via a Bluetooth adapter),
the simplest and typically available solution is to use a headset
system that allows stereo audio sharing, like the XBi.
The stereo audio broadcasting feature is key to this discussion.
In reality the MP3 or its host Bluetooth Adapter is not the
broadcast venue, its actually the master unit in a pair of compatible
Bluetooth helmet systems.
As illustrated by the Chatterbox XBi system, the source stereo
audio stream is pushed from the transmitter (wired MP3 player
or via Bluetooth Adapter) to the master receiver unit, and as
initiated, the stream is then redirected (audio broadcast) to
a second paired system.
When this happens, and depending
on the number of channels available between the master and second
device, typically the duplex intercom capability will be lost
or degraded, as these channels will become the carrier for the
stereo audio shared between two modules.
Unless the system has multiple channels available for communication
and audio, the shared audio needs to be stopped by intervention
to allow an intercom session. Once the intercom session
is done, audio sharing can be resumed.
Some newer Bluetooth
systems have dual or multi-channel Master capabilities, allowing
management of two or more streams simultaneously, which can
or may bring us closer to a solution. While I suspect
the Biker Com was or is now using this feature, only the AKE
BlueCom 102 Pocket Repeater specifically identifies this capability,
but I have not yet had a chance to evaluate this product, unfortunately.
Unless the system has multiple wireless channels available
for this type of streaming, the intercom will not be functional
while the stereo audio stream is being 'shared'.
So unless
the user wants to get a hybrid system of sorts, I think the
Xbi system is the most expedient option as the requirements
seem pretty simple."
From "B.B." (5/09): "I
own a Nolan N102 with N-Com and I find it works really well.
I have coupled it directly to my cell phone with no problems
and I also use it with my Tom-Tom Rider GPS.
The beauty of this system is I couple the N-Com
to the GPS and the GPS to the Cell phone. The Tom-Tom
has a cell phone page where you can upload the directory of
the cell phone into the GPS and then make calls from the directory
from the GPS (but only while stationary; the Tom-Tom will not
allow you to do anything while moving except cancel a route,
find the nearest gas station or answer or reject an incoming
phone call).
You can also pair two helmets together for intercom.
The N-Com has provision for a cable connection for auxiliary
input, e.g. iPod etc, and also for cable intercom if desired.
I find the instructions to be straightforward and the system
easy to use."
From "M.D." (4/09): "After
reading your product reviews on the IMC Bluetooth and wiRevo
products I am thoroughly lost. I own a Zumo 550, am not interested
in cell phone calls while riding, am not really interested in
talking to my passenger or another bike.
What I want is great stereo audio out of the
Zumo, plus the turn by turn instructions from the Zumo and into
my helmet via bluetooth. What should I purchase to get
this done? Any advice would really help."
HBC's Response: With the
zumo 550, only the wired output jack will provide stereo audio,
as the Bluetooth stream is mono only, although the pending zumo
660 will rectify this in providing Bluetooth that supports the
A2DP (stereo) protocol).
Your requirements are basic and for about sixty
percent of my riding time, the same. To get good stereo
audio out of the zumo, you will need a good A2DP compatible
Bluetooth adapter (BTA) – either of the IMC Camos BTAs used
as part of the Camos BTS 300 evaluation would do the job.
Many other BTAs on the market are compatible as well.
However, the zumo is not as ‘universal’ as some
other devices in Bluetooth operations, so it is very important
to check compatibility and proper function first. BTAs can range
in price from well under $100 to well over 100 depending on
location and unit – their versatility however makes them a good
deal, especially over the long term.
Along with the wealth of information provided
on wBW, there are lots of other rider or user forums that will
provide additional information regarding compatible Bluetooth
devices that work with the zumo…the list is pretty extensive
actually.
It is important to use an adapter that has Bluetooth
2.0 or 2.1+ or later – this will get you a very good A2DP (stereo)
stream to your headset and provides other advantages, such as
faster connectivity, more stable stream and power efficiencies."
Editor's Note: HBC is planning
an article on recommended solutions for various intercom uses,
such as rider-to-rider, rider-to-pillion, bike-to-bike and listening
to GPS and music.
From "P" (4/09): "Hi,
( live in Southern California). Just got a new DL650.
This wild Bluetooth helmet to radio thing started with the first
ham radios with built in Bluetooth, made by Yaesu called an
FTM10SR. I installed it on my 07 DRZ400, paired it to an BlueAnt
Interphone (I tried several helmet BT systems but the Interphone
worked the best).
The whole thing took me about 3 months to get
dialed in due to poor support from Yaesu. The radio had
a remote tiny handlebar mounted waterproof head, VHF/UHF/AM/FM
entire police-fire scanner, and a plug in for a mp3. It
was low power,10 Watts VHF, 7 Watts UHF, but I was able to make
over 100 mile contacts ham to ham without repeaters (oh yeah,
did I say these ham rigs are modifiable for FRS/GMRS?).
I still own it. There are radios out there
that can go on a bike that pump some power out and don't need
a license for (in the U.S.).
For those riders that want the following:
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Want to talk to
like-equipped buddies (as many as the frequency can handle,
which is a lot), not (just the 500 meter stuff either),
more then a few miles or 20;
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Want to talk on
a radio that uses a BT helmet setup;
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Want something that
does not look like its the size of a cigar box pretending
to be a FRS or GMRS thing your actually supposed to attach
to your helmet.
Here is what I did with the new bike and new
off-the-shelf system integration for 50 Watts VHF and 35 Watts
UHF. It has a remote head on the dash; the body of the
radio is under the seat and the antenna is on the back of the
bike.
Of course I use an Interphone abd a Chatterbox
XBI. Need to be able to talk/listen to ham/FRS/GMRS/MURS,
get GPS instructions, listen to mp3 and have intercom.
But all this can be done with the XBI; I just
like the way the Interphone sounds when it transmits audio out
of the radio. Interested in the least?
New Bluetooth product out there boys and girls.
New long range communication for those that really want to reach
out and touch someone, and yes, unfortunately it will work with
CB radios (that's a bad word around amateur radio operators
ha ha ha!).
I am not totally nuts. Was medically retired
from the police dept, am 43 with a 14 year old kid,a nd have
a workbench full of Bluetooth adapters and such. I am
currently attempting to use a Jabra a210 generic 20 buck BT
transceiver and mate it to one of my handhelds so my kid will
have something on her quad. I got a couple BT helmet sets
lying around......
OK, I started with a quad band (10 meters, 6meters,
2meters, 70cm),w hich most likely doesn't mean much to you.
It's called a Yaesu FT8900R. Suffice it
to say that at times, I will be able to talk worldwide from
my bike, along with the VHF/UHF. The radio has a remote
head separated by a cable to the main body of the radio, which
I stashed under the seat.
The next really cool part is the "Talksafe"
outboard Bluetooth box. About the size of a pack of smokes.
You feed it 12 Volts, plug one of its cables into the MIC jack
of your radio, the other cable coming out of it goes to the
external speaker jack of your whatever radio, and boom, instant
Bluetooth radio.
Pair it up with most of the helmet systems (except
the Blutek built-in piece of *&^% radio), put a momentary
switch or what we call a PTT on the handlebars or in some cases
hit the call accept button on the helmet and the radio transmits.
Hit it again and it unkeys, ready to receive.
Plenty of radios out there and good antennas,
along with good BT helmet systems that work absolutely bitchen
when hooked to a ham radio (or whatever radio) and this new
Talksafe box.
I don't work for the company or anything, just
trying to get some fellow riders some decent comms. Here
I am talking Bluetooth 100+ miles with the FT8900 ham rig and
guys are saying a quarter mile is good. WTF? HA HA HA
.
My install is ultra clean including the custom
fabricated remote head bracket and fabricated rear antenna mount.
I used a relay and have the PTT on the horn. In 30 years
of riding enduros, I have never used the horn. Very usable
system.
This system sounds much better then the original
built in one on the FTM10SR on the DRZ. Guys tell me they
cant tell I'm on a bike! I think Yaesu used a bad chipset
with a lot of compression, clipping and gobs of aliasing.
Meaning it can sound kinda robotic, but totally usable.
Sorry if I have wasted your time with this.
I have been a ham operator for 24 years and according to the
Talksafe company, RPF Industries, it looks like i am the first
to integrate this system on a motorcycle in the US. They
are in England. They also have units that plug into handhelds!
I'm just really excited at the comm possibilities with this
system. The box is like 189.00
The new 2009 DL650 is a mobile communications
platform and Disaster Assessment Vehicle for the Red Cross chapter
I am on the Board of Directors for, and Director of Communications
(Antelope Valley Chapter in Palmdale, California).
We handle 40 percent of Los Angeles County.
Been a RC volunteer for almost 15 years and am also an active
instructor in First Aid/CPR/Disaster Preparedness, and Earthquake
survival. YES I LIVE 2 MILES FROM WILLOW SPRINGS!"
From "S" (10.08): "I
have to agree with a couple of the comments of your readers
regarding wanting a unit I can use (with) my own mic and earplug
setup.
I've been considering getting a motorcycle intercom
for the last couple of years and been looking at the Bluetooth
models in the aim of finding something reasonable cost which
allows me to use a throat mic and my Etymotic earbuds.
To me this is the ideal option, no need to worry about wind
noise with a throat mic (race teams use them) or the contradiction
of trying to block out deafening wind noise with earplugs yet
hear music or voice from speakers.
With this setup it's not necessary to worry
about what helmet it's connected too because I don't need to
worry about the helmet. Put the unit in my top pocket
with wires going to Velcro throat mic and up to ears for earbuds.
Requirements for weight, water proofing, small battery size
become less of an issue which helps manufacturing costs.
I was considering the scala teamset, now tending
toward the newly released Chatterbox ibx. But as biker
ranted on another forum the sellers provide very little information
about the products on their websites other than a pretty picture
of the unit and packaging. Hope Chatterbox give you the
opportunity to review one of these units at some stage. Thanks
for a very informative site."
From "J.F.": "I've
been reading your articles and product reviews for a very long
time now - thanks for all you do, by the way!
I have become so disenchanted with this whole
subject for years. Your list of "wants" for
a Bluetooth system is dead-on. Why can't a manufacturer
just make this a reality? They would clean up. I
would be first in line to spend several hundred dollars, if
only the unit does what is in your list.
My son and I have actually been assembling components
to make out own device, but it is time-consuming and expensive
if you don't do this for a living.
My wife and I ride separate bikes and we have
the Autocom units - they work, but I feel like I'm strangled
in all the freak'n wires and cables! WE NEED TO CUT THE
CABLES TO THE HELMET!!!
In 2008, it's hard to believe that this is a
problem so hard to solve! And, the manufacturers don't
seem to get it. I called Autocom last year basically outlining
the system, and they acted like I was from Mars. The guy
wanted me off the phone so quick it was frightening. They
are NOT listening to what the customers are telling them.
Thanks for listening. At least you guys communicate
nicely!"
From "T.Z" (Responding to our "Problems
With Bluetooth Intercoms" above: "Agreed!
The problems we are trying to solve as consumers are:
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Get rid of the headset
cable that runs to the control unit.
-
Listen to MP3 music
in stereo on the headset
-
Create a list of
paired devices that automatically connect when turned on
and in the same proximity and function properly based on
their purpose. The Bluetooth 2.0 specification provides
for up to 255 Bluetooth devices in each piconet (Bluetooth
network).
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Be able to use the
headsets as Intercoms and use either speakers or earphones
depending or preference with separate volume controls.
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Be able to listen
to a shared music source over the intercom. (Editor's
Note: Music should stream from a single source to both rider
and passenger).
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The various devices
should interrupt each other based on a prioritized connection
scheme. Cell phones should interrupt music and Intercom,
radar detector should always be heard by the rider but not
the passenger.
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Provide long lasting
batteries that run at least 20 hours that install in the
helmet. This should not be difficult as there are
Li-Ion 3.7 volt batteries available for cell phones that
are small enough to fit in a helmet that are rated at over
2000mAh (Milli-Ampere Hours) Most of the Bluetooth headsets
operate at 4.5 (High end of a charged battery) to 3.7 volts
(Low end of an almost fully discharged battery.) The
batteries should either be swappable of there should be
an option to plug in an optional battery life extension
pack in to the charging outlet of the headset.
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The devices should
be lockable with security codes that prevent unauthorized
Bluetooth devices from joining the piconet (Bluetooth network).
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I don't care if
I still have to plug the GPS, radar detector, XM Satellite,
etc. into the control unit. I just want everything
to talk to the headset over Bluetooth. The control
unit can handle all of the complex stuff such as port prioritization.
There are a few more but that is my short list.
I don't think that is too much to ask."
From "C.J.": "Just
been reading your information on Bluetooth intercom/headsets.
I bought a Motorola HS830 some time ago and installed it in
my Nolan N42 Jet. I use it with my Motorola L5 phone which
I keep in a cradle on my handlebars. Thought I would let
you know that this system (about $120) DOES permit rider/passenger
communication without a cell phone. There is an 'a-b'
switch on the back of the device. Set one helmet to 'a'
and one to 'b' and voila, there you have it.
Of course for bike to bike it's limited to Bluetooth
range (30 feet) whereas the Interphone system will go 150.
But for $120 bucks the Motorola just can't be beat."
From GiMoto Canada: "GiMoto
Canada Ltd. is the approved Canadian distributor for the Cellular
Line Interphone. We first brought the Interphone (Euro
power plug units) into Canada several months ago and provided
the units to several magazines within Canada, the feedback has
been amazing.
The key difference to the Interphone over other
products including the Scala Rider Team is the ability to use
the Bluetooth intercom feature from bike to bike! Cellular
Line specifies the product has a range of 150m at speeds up
to 130 km/h. I have personally been at a greater distance
and had a clear conversation with the other rider.
See the wBW
review
of the Interphone Bluetooth motorcycle intercom system.
Here is a brochure (Adobe Acrobat format) on
the
Interphone Bluetooth intercom and also an Adobe Acrobat
version of the
Interphone Bluetooth intercom owner's manual.
From "M.E.": "I
just read your comment about the unavailability of rider to
passenger Bluetooth intercoms. I too have been scouring
the internet, manufacturers and motorcycle dealers for such
a product...as have most of my motorcycle riding friends.
It simply boggles the imagination that such a beast seems not
to exist yet. Even products like the fairly new Chatterbox
XB1, which was built from the ground up with Bluetooth in mind
and can communicate with other riders 5 miles away, can't communicate
with the person sitting 3 inches behind you without some sort
of wire going to them."
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